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 # A conversation with the Go team
 6 Jun 2013
 Summary: At Google I/O 2013, several members of the Go team hosted a "Fireside chat."
 OldURL: /a-conversation-with-the-go-team

 ##

 At Google I/O 2013, several members of the Go team hosted a "Fireside chat."
 Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, David Symonds, Andrew Gerrand, Ian Lance Taylor,
 Sameer Ajmani, Brad Fitzpatrick, and Nigel Tao took questions from the audience
 and people around the world about various aspects of the Go project.

 .iframe //www.youtube.com/embed/p9VUCp98ay4 309 549

 We also hosted a similar session at I/O last year:
 [_Meet the Go team_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sln-gJaURzk).

 There were many more questions from Google Moderator than we were able to
 answer in the short 40 minute session.
 Here we answer some of those we missed in the live session.

 _Linking speed (and memory usage) for the gc toolchain are a known problem._
 _Are there any plans to address this during the 1.2 cycle?_

 **Rob:** Yes. We are always thinking about ways to improve performance of the
 tools as well as the language and libraries.

 _I have been very pleased to see how quickly Go appears to be gaining traction._
 _Can you talk about the reactions you have experienced working with other_
 _developers inside and outside Google? Are there any major sticking points remaining?_

 **Robert:** A lot of developers that seriously tried Go are very happy with it.
 Many of them report a much smaller, more readable and thus maintainable code
 base: A 50% code size reduction or more when coming from C++ seems common.
 Developers that switched to Go from Python are invariably pleased with the
 performance gain. The typical complaints are about small inconsistencies in the
 language (some of which we might iron out at some point). What surprises me is
 that almost nobody complains about the lack of generics.

 _When will Go be a first-class language for Android development?_

 **Andrew:** This would be great, but we don't have anything to announce.

 _Is there a roadmap for the next version of Go?_

 **Andrew:** We have no feature roadmap as such. The contributors tend to work on
 what interests them. Active areas of development include the gc and gccgo
 compilers, the garbage collector and runtime, and many others. We expect the
 majority of exciting new additions will be in the form of improvements to our
 tools. You can find design discussions and code reviews on the
 [golang-dev mailing list](http://groups.google.com/group/golang-dev).

 As for the timeline, we do have
 [concrete plans](https://docs.google.com/document/d/106hMEZj58L9nq9N9p7Zll_WKfo-oyZHFyI6MttuZmBU/edit?usp=sharing):
 we expect to release Go 1.2 on December 1, 2013.

 _Where do you guys want to see Go used externally?_
 _What would you consider a big win for Go adoption outside Google?_
 _Where do you think Go has the potential to make a significant impact?_

 **Rob:** Where Go is deployed is up to its users, not to us. We're happy to see
 it gain traction anywhere it helps. It was designed with server-side software
 in mind, and is showing promise there, but has also shown strengths in many
 other areas and the story is really just beginning. There are many surprises to
 come.

 **Ian:** It’s easier for startups to use Go, because they don’t have an
 entrenched code base that they need to work with. So I see two future big wins
 for Go. One would be a significant use of Go by an existing large software
 company other than Google. Another would be a significant IPO or acquisition
 of a startup that primarily uses Go. These are both indirect: clearly choice
 of programming language is a very small factor in the success of a company.
 But it would be another way to show that Go can be part of a successful
 software system.

 _Have you thought any (more) about the potential of dynamically loading_
 _Go packages or objects and how it could work in Go?_
 _I think this could enable some really interesting and expressive constructs,_
 _especially coupled with interfaces._

 **Rob:** This is an active topic of discussion. We appreciate how powerful the
 concept can be and hope we can find a way to implement it before too long.
 There are serious challenges in the design approach to take and the need to
 make it work portably.

 _There was a discussion a while ago about collecting some best-of-breed_
 `database/sql` _drivers in a more central place._
 _Some people had strong opinions to the contrary though._
 _Where is_ `database/sql` _and its drivers going in the next year?_

 **Brad:** While we could create an official subrepo (“go.db”) for database
 drivers, we fear that would unduly bless certain drivers. At this point we’d
 still rather see healthy competition between different drivers. The
 [SQLDrivers wiki page](https://golang.org/wiki/SQLDrivers)
 lists some good ones.

 The `database/sql` package didn’t get much attention for a while, due to lack of
 drivers. Now that drivers exist, usage of the package is increasing and
 correctness and performance bugs are now being reported (and fixed). Fixes will
 continue, but no major changes to the interface of `database/sql` are planned.
  There might be small extensions here and there as needed for performance or to
 assist some drivers.

 _What is the status of versioning?_
 _Is importing some code from github a best practice recommended by the Go team?_
 _What happens when we publish our code that is dependent on a github repo and_
 _the API of the dependee changes?_

 **Ian:** This is frequently discussed on the mailing list. What we do internally
 is take a snapshot of the imported code, and update that snapshot from time to
 time. That way, our code base won't break unexpectedly if the API changes.
 But we understand that that approach doesn’t work very well for people who are
 themselves providing a library. We’re open to good suggestions in this area.
 Remember that this is an aspect of the tools that surround the language rather
 than the language itself; the place to fix this is in the tools, not the
 language.

 _What about Go and Graphical User Interfaces?_

 **Rob:** This is a subject close to my heart. Newsqueak, a very early precursor
 language, was designed specifically for writing graphics programs (that's what
 we used to call apps). The landscape has changed a lot but I think Go's
 concurrency model has much to offer in the field of interactive graphics.

 **Andrew:** There are many
 [bindings for existing graphics libraries](https://golang.org/wiki/Projects#Graphics_and_Audio)
 out there, and a few Go-specific projects. One of the more promising ones is
 [go.uik](https://github.com/skelterjohn/go.uik), but it's still in its early
 days. I think there's a lot of potential for a great Go-specific UI toolkit for
 writing native applications (consider handling user events by receiving from a
 channel), but developing a production-quality package is a significant
 undertaking. I have no doubt one will come in time.

 In the meantime, the web is the most broadly available platform for user
 interfaces. Go provides great support for building web apps, albeit only on the
 back end.

 _In the mailing lists Adam Langley has stated that the TLS code has not been_
 _reviewed by outside groups, and thus should not be used in production._
 _Are there plans to have the code reviewed?_
 _A good secure implementation of concurrent TLS would be very nice._

 **Adam**: Cryptography is notoriously easy to botch in subtle and surprising ways
 and I’m only human. I don’t feel that I can warrant that Go’s TLS code is
 flawless and I wouldn’t want to misrepresent it.

 There are a couple of places where the code is known to have side-channel
 issues: the RSA code is blinded but not constant time, elliptic curves other
 than P-224 are not constant time and the Lucky13 attack might work. I hope to
 address the latter two in the Go 1.2 timeframe with a constant-time P-256
 implementation and AES-GCM.

 Nobody has stepped forward to do a review of the TLS stack however and I’ve not
 investigated whether we could get Matasano or the like to do it. That depends
 on whether Google wishes to fund it.

 _What do you think about_ [_GopherCon 2014_](http://www.gophercon.com/)_?_
 _Does anyone from the team plan to attend?_

 **Andrew:** It's very exciting. I'm sure some of us will be there.
	# A conversation with the Go team
	6 Jun 2013
	Summary: At Google I/O 2013, several members of the Go team hosted a "Fireside chat."
	OldURL: /a-conversation-with-the-go-team

	##

	At Google I/O 2013, several members of the Go team hosted a "Fireside chat."
	Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, David Symonds, Andrew Gerrand, Ian Lance Taylor,
	Sameer Ajmani, Brad Fitzpatrick, and Nigel Tao took questions from the audience
	and people around the world about various aspects of the Go project.

	.iframe //www.youtube.com/embed/p9VUCp98ay4 309 549

	We also hosted a similar session at I/O last year:
	[_Meet the Go team_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sln-gJaURzk).

	There were many more questions from Google Moderator than we were able to
	answer in the short 40 minute session.
	Here we answer some of those we missed in the live session.

	_Linking speed (and memory usage) for the gc toolchain are a known problem._
	_Are there any plans to address this during the 1.2 cycle?_

	Rob: Yes. We are always thinking about ways to improve performance of the
	tools as well as the language and libraries.

	_I have been very pleased to see how quickly Go appears to be gaining traction._
	_Can you talk about the reactions you have experienced working with other_
	_developers inside and outside Google? Are there any major sticking points remaining?_

	Robert: A lot of developers that seriously tried Go are very happy with it.
	Many of them report a much smaller, more readable and thus maintainable code
	base: A 50% code size reduction or more when coming from C++ seems common.
	Developers that switched to Go from Python are invariably pleased with the
	performance gain. The typical complaints are about small inconsistencies in the
	language (some of which we might iron out at some point). What surprises me is
	that almost nobody complains about the lack of generics.

	_When will Go be a first-class language for Android development?_

	Andrew: This would be great, but we don't have anything to announce.

	_Is there a roadmap for the next version of Go?_

	Andrew: We have no feature roadmap as such. The contributors tend to work on
	what interests them. Active areas of development include the gc and gccgo
	compilers, the garbage collector and runtime, and many others. We expect the
	majority of exciting new additions will be in the form of improvements to our
	tools. You can find design discussions and code reviews on the
	[golang-dev mailing list](http://groups.google.com/group/golang-dev).

	As for the timeline, we do have
	[concrete plans](https://docs.google.com/document/d/106hMEZj58L9nq9N9p7Zll_WKfo-oyZHFyI6MttuZmBU/edit?usp=sharing):
	we expect to release Go 1.2 on December 1, 2013.

	_Where do you guys want to see Go used externally?_
	_What would you consider a big win for Go adoption outside Google?_
	_Where do you think Go has the potential to make a significant impact?_

	Rob: Where Go is deployed is up to its users, not to us. We're happy to see
	it gain traction anywhere it helps. It was designed with server-side software
	in mind, and is showing promise there, but has also shown strengths in many
	other areas and the story is really just beginning. There are many surprises to
	come.

	Ian: It’s easier for startups to use Go, because they don’t have an
	entrenched code base that they need to work with. So I see two future big wins
	for Go. One would be a significant use of Go by an existing large software
	company other than Google. Another would be a significant IPO or acquisition
	of a startup that primarily uses Go. These are both indirect: clearly choice
	of programming language is a very small factor in the success of a company.
	But it would be another way to show that Go can be part of a successful
	software system.

	_Have you thought any (more) about the potential of dynamically loading_
	_Go packages or objects and how it could work in Go?_
	_I think this could enable some really interesting and expressive constructs,_
	_especially coupled with interfaces._

	Rob: This is an active topic of discussion. We appreciate how powerful the
	concept can be and hope we can find a way to implement it before too long.
	There are serious challenges in the design approach to take and the need to
	make it work portably.

	_There was a discussion a while ago about collecting some best-of-breed_
	`database/sql` _drivers in a more central place._
	_Some people had strong opinions to the contrary though._
	_Where is_ `database/sql` _and its drivers going in the next year?_

	Brad: While we could create an official subrepo (“go.db”) for database
	drivers, we fear that would unduly bless certain drivers. At this point we’d
	still rather see healthy competition between different drivers. The
	[SQLDrivers wiki page](https://golang.org/wiki/SQLDrivers)
	lists some good ones.

	The `database/sql` package didn’t get much attention for a while, due to lack of
	drivers. Now that drivers exist, usage of the package is increasing and
	correctness and performance bugs are now being reported (and fixed). Fixes will
	continue, but no major changes to the interface of `database/sql` are planned.
	There might be small extensions here and there as needed for performance or to
	assist some drivers.

	_What is the status of versioning?_
	_Is importing some code from github a best practice recommended by the Go team?_
	_What happens when we publish our code that is dependent on a github repo and_
	_the API of the dependee changes?_

	Ian: This is frequently discussed on the mailing list. What we do internally
	is take a snapshot of the imported code, and update that snapshot from time to
	time. That way, our code base won't break unexpectedly if the API changes.
	But we understand that that approach doesn’t work very well for people who are
	themselves providing a library. We’re open to good suggestions in this area.
	Remember that this is an aspect of the tools that surround the language rather
	than the language itself; the place to fix this is in the tools, not the
	language.

	_What about Go and Graphical User Interfaces?_

	Rob: This is a subject close to my heart. Newsqueak, a very early precursor
	language, was designed specifically for writing graphics programs (that's what
	we used to call apps). The landscape has changed a lot but I think Go's
	concurrency model has much to offer in the field of interactive graphics.

	Andrew: There are many
	[bindings for existing graphics libraries](https://golang.org/wiki/Projects#Graphics_and_Audio)
	out there, and a few Go-specific projects. One of the more promising ones is
	[go.uik](https://github.com/skelterjohn/go.uik), but it's still in its early
	days. I think there's a lot of potential for a great Go-specific UI toolkit for
	writing native applications (consider handling user events by receiving from a
	channel), but developing a production-quality package is a significant
	undertaking. I have no doubt one will come in time.

	In the meantime, the web is the most broadly available platform for user
	interfaces. Go provides great support for building web apps, albeit only on the
	back end.

	_In the mailing lists Adam Langley has stated that the TLS code has not been_
	_reviewed by outside groups, and thus should not be used in production._
	_Are there plans to have the code reviewed?_
	_A good secure implementation of concurrent TLS would be very nice._

	Adam: Cryptography is notoriously easy to botch in subtle and surprising ways
	and I’m only human. I don’t feel that I can warrant that Go’s TLS code is
	flawless and I wouldn’t want to misrepresent it.

	There are a couple of places where the code is known to have side-channel
	issues: the RSA code is blinded but not constant time, elliptic curves other
	than P-224 are not constant time and the Lucky13 attack might work. I hope to
	address the latter two in the Go 1.2 timeframe with a constant-time P-256
	implementation and AES-GCM.

	Nobody has stepped forward to do a review of the TLS stack however and I’ve not
	investigated whether we could get Matasano or the like to do it. That depends
	on whether Google wishes to fund it.

	_What do you think about_ [_GopherCon 2014_](http://www.gophercon.com/)_?_
	_Does anyone from the team plan to attend?_

	Andrew: It's very exciting. I'm sure some of us will be there.